aesmael: (pangoself)
So recently I had two things collide to influence my ideas about making worlds and cultures in them. One was a YouTube video, a conlang talk[1] demonstrating the rapid sketching out of a language and its rules. Part of the talk was about gender as a grammatical term and what it can refer to other than female, male and neuter.

The other was a twitter thread about gender as play, xenogenders[2]. The author talked about the symbolic associations attached to mythic creatures and how these might become a referent for one's gender ( an example given, "vampires are viewed in the modern era as sexy, androgynous, and hypersexual" ) attaching it to a narrative about yourself, as well as part of an effective project decoupling gender from biological sex.

In combination these have inspired me to consider worldbuilding that does not contain the categories of 'man' or 'woman' at all, and what kind of gender categories a society might have if it doesn't have to refer to that binary whatsoever. Perhaps gender might refer to your social role. Or to your favoured approach to situations, or some other organising scheme ( or contingent fusion of a couple of relic schemes ).

[1] Peterson, D. J. (2020, May 24). Create a Language in Just One Hour [Video]. YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StcSHmBZj2k

[2] Jessica & Zena of TGT (Camarilla Arc) [[profile] tgirltherapist]. (2022, May 5). Got this comment and wanted to share it and my responses in a thread. I think this is the perfect [Image attached] [Tweet]. Twitter. https://twitter.com/TGirlTherapist/status/1521893056529772545

Originally published at a denizen's entertainment. You can comment here or there.

The construction "All X aren't Y" always throws me off. When I encounter it I parse it initially as "No X are Y" although I am fairly sure what people mean (nearly?) every time is "Not all X are Y", often with a particular emphasis that people should not mistakenly believe "All X are Y".

Originally published at a denizen's entertainment. You can comment here or there.

Via one Smurasaki.

 

Age: 25
Where you grew up (Ages 0-18): Sydney. Have only left this city a handful of brief times, almost always within the state.

1. A body of water, smaller than a river, contained within relatively narrow banks: Creek or stream

2. What the thing you push around the grocery store is called:Shopping trolley.

3. A metal container to carry a meal in: Lunch box.

4. The thing that you cook bacon and eggs in: Frying pan.

5. The piece of furniture that seats three people: Lounge.


6. The device on the outside of the house that carries rain off the roof: Gutters.

7. The covered area outside a house where people sit in the evening: Verandah or porch. Others might say patio?


8. Carbonated, sweetened, non-alcoholic beverages: Soft drink.

9. A flat, round breakfast food served with syrup: Pancakes aren't breakfast food.

10. A long sandwich designed to be a whole meal in itself: Outside context mostly.

11. The piece of clothing worn by men at the beach: Swimmers. Cosies? [not pronounced as cosy]


12. Shoes worn for sports: Sneakers, runners.

13. Putting a room in order: Tidying or cleaning up.


14. A flying insect that glows in the dark: Firefly. Known only from books and film.

15. The little insect that curls up into a ball: Slater. Not an insect.

16. The children's playground equipment where one kid sits on one side and goes up while the other sits on the other side and goes down: See-saw

17. How do you eat your pizza: Point first. Is that really a language question?

18. What's it called when private citizens put up signs and sell their used stuff: Garage sale.

19. What's the evening meal?: Dinner.


20. The thing under a house where the furnace and perhaps a rec room are: Basement. Found only in imported fiction and news reports.

21. What do you call the thing that you can get water out of to drink in public places: Bubbler.

aesmael: (probably quantum)
Not the reason I expected to be a first or early prompt for writing a post linking to FWD/Forward but...

This post? It's wrong. Infuriatingly, enragingly wrong. I hope that's just for rhetorical purposes.

Not the bit saying it is hard to confront people on their use of language, and I wouldn't disagree about it being harder taking the extra step of opening oneself up to that defensive hostility which so often arises when people are called on the ways their unexamined habits perpetuate systems of abuse and oppression, but to say changing one's language use is easy in such a derisive mocking way?

Oh dear. No, no it isn't. For most people, particularly the abled, language is a deeply ingrained automatic part of themselves. These words they use, they don't think about them most of the time and attempting to make a shift in long established usage is a very difficult habit to change. Words that rise up unbidden as part of commonplace speech as natural as breathing, words that have a lifetime of casual use behind them, words which are used pervasively in the surrounding environment as if they are ordinary acceptable terms?

No, not easy. Simple maybe. As simple as 'just say no'. As simple as uninternalising the messages I have picked up and believing myself to be a person of worth. 'Just change your mind', 'I know they were wrong and hurtful, so I can stop believing what they said of me'. It is simple, but it is not easy, and mistaking conceptual simplicity for ease of action has tripped me up many times in trying to recover... so. It quite aggravates me to see someone saying that because the concept of checking and altering one's habits of thought and action is simple, the doing of it is correspondingly easy.

What it takes in my experience and observation is mindfulness and sustained effort. Not slipping up is difficult. Try removing religiously based language from your non-technical vocabulary because it isn't your belief system; I've been working to control my vocabulary since primary school and it is still difficult to remove compromise words like 'darn' and 'drat' and 'bloody'. I'm fortunate I suppose that I never picked up most (not all, definitely some slipped through) ablist and homophobic and sexist language and was committed from a young age to not doing so, but it doesn't actually get easier as life goes on. Those words are normalised as part of our social discourse, they still get embedded in our lives and presented as language for our brains to pick up on and parse and use.

Quitting isn't so easy, no, but I have no fondness for people saying it is too hard even to try. Not for something like this when the message is "Please try to be less hurtful and more respectful in what you say, please be more mindful of others". Not the easiest thing to do, fine, but I'd say it is less than the minimum required of trying to be an ally, and well worth doing in itself. Pfah.
aesmael: (probably quantum)
Recently have noticed an increasing tendency for people in blog discussions to address each other as @name followed by a space, the format used by Twitter for replies. In the past I would mainly see people address each other like so:

Name:

or sometimes

Name:

Interesting development, this. I suspect Twitter did not pioneer that style of reference but I would be very surprised if it were not responsible for popularising it, assuming what I am noticing is a genuine shift.
aesmael: (tricicat)
Bizarrely, my mother refuses to believe me that I am not watching Terminator 2: Judgement Day tonight because it is a bit of a tear-jerker and I don't feel like crying tonight.

Also, I want to start using these. This only reinforces my contention that our language could be far richer, or even possibly is far richer than common use would suggest.

Words

2008-11-22 19:33
aesmael: (tricicat)
Stumbled across something interesting recently. Here's how it begins:
I no longer recognize marriage. It’s a new thing I’m trying.

Turns out it’s fun.

Yesterday I called a woman’s spouse her boyfriend.

She says, correcting me, “He’s my husband,”
“Oh,” I say, “I no longer recognize marriage.”

The impact is obvious. I tried it on a man who has been in a relationship for years,

“How’s your longtime companion, Jill?”
“She’s my wife!”
“Yeah, well, my beliefs don’t recognize marriage.”

Fun. And instant, eyebrow-raising recognition. Suddenly the majority gets to feel what the minority feels. In a moment they feel what it’s like to have their relationship downgraded, and to have a much taken-for-granted right called into question because of another’s beliefs.

It is an approach I had considered idly, vaguely. I hadn't thought would be very effective since there is nothing backing up that invalidation - whoever it was directed at could simply move on to the next person and have their social position reinforced, dismiss from eir consideration the person who would not recognise eir marriage.

Perhaps I underestimated the sting people feel at having their accustomed privileges questioned. Certainly I have seen plenty of outrage over supposedly minor matters in the past. I also wonder if it is as effective at being illustrative and persuading people to reconsider as the writer suggests, or if it does only produce momentary outrage. No evidence to say either way whether this is any good at producing long-term effect. Seems worth trying to find out, and could be satisfying in itself even if not. So, this is now something I may give a try, though I have few opportunities in my life at present.

Besides marriage it is also something to try with pronouns, applying neutral ey / eir / em to persons of unknown preference and asking where possible[1]. Not quite the same thing, but we could switch to failure to recognise for people who also do so.

Now I wonder what other things could be applied to the population-at-large in such a way?

For reference, link was originally found here in [livejournal.com profile] genderqueer.

[1] "Have you a pronoun preference?" ?
aesmael: (haircut)
Pronouns. Those are fun, right? In English we have male and female, plus a whole assortment of others. For a long while I have considered drawing distinctions among those others and systematising their meaning for me - not intended to restrict how others use them, but to devise a system for my own use which would distinguish subtleties of identity.

As yet I have not actually done so. Some people I know have done something of the sort, however, and I have adopted it for my own personal use. Thus, being presented both here and also now.

he himhisboyfriendsirMr. (Mister)
ziezirzirpersonfriendaugustPer. (Goodperson)
ey em eirpersonfriendaugustPer. (Goodperson)


The second row consists of pronouns used to address persons who do not identify as male or female, while the third row consists of pronouns used to address persons of unknown gender. This system has been internalised as correct to the extent that other uses of these words register to me as incorrect, so I try to remember it is not in widespread usage and thus not correct those who do otherwise.

I tend to want to further distinguish between entities of neutral or no gender and those with gender but not one which is male or female. If I were to do so, I would likely adopt the set ve / ver / vis for this purpose.

As always,
Your Arbiter of Reality,
Per. Fakename, Tyrant

Edit: On a personal note, I have applied all of these terms to myself, and generally prefer not to specify a preference (which... sort of just got phrased as a preference itself). I like that there are people who will address me by female pronouns without prompting and that there are people who do the same for zie. Most of the time I lean more to the female set than the male, having had enough of the latter in my life for the time being, but when making self-reference perform a quick internal check to see which is most applicable in the moment. Sometimes using ey because I do not know. So for me personally, any of these are good except that I tend to avoid the male set in most circumstances.

As a further note, I considered that the use of male as the baseline in that table could be sexist but finally decided to go with it rather than add the extra complication of Ms. / Miss. / Mrs. to the right-uppermost box. I do not like that titles for women are used to code marital status in a way that is not done with men.
aesmael: (Electric Waves)
Plain enough. Music library of choice on shuffle, list the first ten songs (I would say tracks, but mean to skip any podcasts which come up).

  1. Grainger - Country Gardens
  2. Luciana Souza/Romero Lubambo - Muita Bobeira - I think this track came with Vista *shrug*
  3. Queen - Killer Queen
  4. Akira Yamaoka - April Fool's Song
  5. Yuki Kajiura - Sweet Memories - (would have been: Jason Rennie - The Sci Phi Show Outcast #53 - Sci Fi and Politics with Dr Courtney Brown)
  6. Starsailor - Don't Stop Moving
  7. Yuki Kajiura - Sweet Memories #2
  8. See-Saw - interlude
  9. The Beatles - Love Me Do
  10. Delerium - Forgotten Worlds


I desire to include some substance of my own deliberate composition so I will say that over the past few months I have been working to abandon the rich text interface as much as possible, using it only long enough to learn how to input something I did not know before. So I am proud at knowing how to format this list without having to consult any outside source.

I have not been learning much, have not been making a deliberate study as I have felt always more pressing things to do and then sleep, yet what I have been learning is very satisfying. It reminds me of the latter half of last year, when I had to learn some LaTeX formatting for the wiki on which I was keeping my Electromagnetism notes.

It is not something I know yet how to describe yet learning such things, seeing something of how they work and fit together, is a very... clean pleasure for me. Similar to how I have felt in my brief studies of Mandarin too, and now I am thinking if I could find this in mathematics too that would be rather wonderful. Perhaps my perspective has been mistaken? Focus on the operators rather than the individual problems maybe. Might help with astronomy/physics too.

... I was supposed to be writing.
aesmael: (it would have been a scale model)
One of the great things about language is, it is open-source.
aesmael: (transformation)
Sibling.
aesmael: (haircut)
    Got to finalise that job application by tomorrow. Fortunately they allow email submissions or I would have had to send it in by *checks clock* now.

Cut for: Writing talk )

Huh.

2007-10-27 02:19
aesmael: (friendly)
    I thought people referring to Iain as being from Australia were jokes they were making, because he does not sound like anyone I ever met. I thought perhaps he was meant to be Irish, since his accent as shown in the comic seems most similar to other presumed-Irish characters but apparently not. I certainly cannot be certain about that since I do not personally know any Irish people to judge their accent (although his name actually seems Scottish to me probably because the only actual Iain I know of is Scottish).
    And I might even be wrong about his accent being inaccurate because I am not after all widely travelled even within this country and I certainly cannot know how we sound on the outside.

Rice

2007-10-19 19:49
aesmael: (haircut)
    From [livejournal.com profile] pouringsand, this page which claims to donate 10 grains of rice to people in need for every word visitors get correct. Much more useful than decapitating peasants.
    At first I was using the Answers.com plugin for Firefox and my vocabulary level was marked at 48. When I stopped using it to get a more accurate picture it hovers around 44. Very difficult to stop clicking, although I might quibble with some of their definitions. Well, synonym really. So maybe not.

Edit: Apparently 'grok' is one of the words.
aesmael: (friendly)
    If I ever use the expression 'don't have the boobs' (as in 'don't have the balls'), I got it from here.
aesmael: (haircut)
    Another thing (parasite) which has been going round. This time people who volunteer in the comments will explain seven of their interests which I will choose. And now, my time has come round. Right now I am feeling slightly dead and never have I been good at this sort of thing but an attempt has been promised and so an attempt shall be made.

It is larger on the inside )
aesmael: (friendly)
    Machine translated Russian reads like confusing poetry.

Hallo

2007-08-06 23:14
aesmael: (haircut)
    Just came back from the family dinner. I keep thinking the material in this course - how to research and find information - should be taught to everyone since it is of such basic importance, along with logic, critical thought and knowledge of propaganda techniques. All things I need to learn too.

    The other day I acquired a sudden interest in Lojban. Possibly I could use it for/as a basis/inspiration for Damiroque. Or to use it to improve my own (desperately in need of it) conlanging. Or just learn it. Maybe. If I can find the time.

    Last night's total: 257 words of Elegant Girl. I do not know where that story is going. It is the equivalent of doodling on a notepad. So far on track for this month, must maintain that. The reason I only post the previous day's writing progress and not the current one is in case I write more after posting. I know you were wondering.

    Last year I did not accomplish as much as I hoped to. Hopefully I will do better this year.
aesmael: (just people)
    Yes, I was intending to go to sleep after that last post; my head hurts and all. However, I found myself turning over one of [livejournal.com profile] shelleybear 's late posts in my mind, trying to understand how it could have happened.
    The thought that keeps returning to my mind is that the jury has been dishonest in reaching their conclusion. At least, I am assuming events occurred as described in the linked article. Even though I was not there and have no access to any of the evidence I have no reason to believe otherwise (I try to be aware of the provisionality of my knowledge in all cases, usually not explicitly and with the optimistic thought that people realise this. This time I could be bothered.) so for now I think any dishonesty must lie in the verdict.
    Have I rambled into a thicket? I think I have. I say dishonesty because how else can they, with video footage of the assault and the admission of the assaulter, still find these people* guilty?

* )

    There is a disconnect in me. I keep trying and failing to guess at the thought path that would lead people to conclude it is okay to reach the verdict they did. Is there something I am missing? A detail of the trial or law perhaps, if not in the minds of those involved? Perhaps the answer is as simple as 'the jurors were unethical and took advantage of an opportunity to have the legal system punish people they disliked'.
    My mind wandered all the way into how people make decisions about right and wrong and the relatively easy target of Divine Command theory, rubbish idea that it is. The connection is forgotten for now, alas, but I did have a hypothetical debate with a hypothetical proponent of the theory (there are still real ones about) who maintained for the purposes of this train of thought that the killing of human beings is wrong because God says it is wrong.
    Ve attempted to refuse my doubly hypothetical yet based in reality question 'what if God declared it a good act to kill humans of class X (where X is not a category of people who have committed a crime [although if you were to maintain that disobedience toward God were itself a capital crime I suppose they still would be {unless we stipulate also that they have not actually committed any disobedience and merely fall into an identifiable category <parentheticals, whee!>}])?' by claiming 'God would not do that'.
    Of course, I pressed on the matter of, if God's will/decree is what defines right and wrong there is no reason why such a decree should not be made**. Ve claimed, then, that God is eternal, unchanging and necessarily as Ve is or else there could not be existence, therefore such hypothetical questions are invalid because there is no possibility in any reality - it is not a sensible question.
    I consider this to be a concession of the argument since I think it requires some set of principles prior to God which dictate Vis nature and, by extension, what is moral. The original purpose of writing this entire post was to ask if that were a valid objection to my hypothetical question but since in the writing I have concluded it is not I am now asking if I am in fact mistaken. I am sure I have made some unjustified/unjustifiable leap somewhere.
    And of course, one of the dangers of conducting arguments where one takes both sides is a tendency to use weaker arguments for the side not favoured but since there is only one question at stake in this case I have hopefully not been too bad.

**Well, if a previous decree were that right and wrong could not be changed in future there would be, actually. I did not realise this at the time.

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