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2011-04-08 19:21

Originally published at a denizen's entertainment. You can comment here or there.

If we are to say SETI is a waste of time on the idea that alien intelligences are likely either much less advanced than us and thus uncontactable, or vastly more advanced than us and thus must both be aware of us and be deliberately ignoring us, well-

Depending on what threshold you choose for when super-advanced ETI would 'notice' us and decide we are / are not worth contacting, it isn't obvious we're being snubbed even if we are at a notice-ignore threshold, especially if we don't imagine faster than light technology.

We definitely consider a hypothetical ETI civlisation too primitive to contact if they aren't roughly as advanced as we are, because the only tools we have to make this hypothetical contact are radio and other electromagnetic manipulations. If they don't have radio telescopes, radar, or lasers and optical scopes at least as good as our own they could neither recognise a signal from us nor respond to it, and without a signal from an ETI I don't think we expect to begin analysing extrasolar worlds as probably life-bearing for at least another decade.

If that is a minimum for being able to receive communication short of being visited, then the earliest we would have crossed that threshold is somewhere between the early 20th century and 50 years from now, as a rough estimate. So for any hypothetical advanced ETI civilisation to have noticed us on that basis and decided to ignore us, it must have a decision-making outpost that's been dedicating a lot of telescope time to Earth within 100 light years at most.

aesmael: (haircut)
For question 5. As a child, your voice was recorded for the phonograph discs that  were attached to the Voyager spacecraft, which feature the sounds of Earth, just in case the spacecraft ever wandered by an extraterrestrial civilization. Do you think they ever will? Also, if the Voyager craft were being made today, would we include an iPod  instead?

I want to say that no, I don't think we would. We might send a dvd but actually a phonograph is probably still a good idea to send. The beauty of the phonograph is that it is a fairly simple device and any ETI finding it would only need to work out that you put a needle in the groove and spin the disc to get the information out. Of course it would be very quiet without amplification and I don't know how we could convey the correct speed to spin it at, but the basics are relatively easy. The way we store information on a dvd would be as obvious as a phonograph is and I expect today we would send a dvd also, but getting the information out of it requires more processing than playing the phonograph.

Sorry, I get these urges sometimes. Also, I'm sitting on the floor because there is a cat in my chair.

The interview itself is interesting and I need to check out some of Sagan's books. Both Sagans, actually.

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