aesmael: (just people)
It appears the word 'cis' is now verboten at Pam's House Blend, because it offends at least one white cis gay man.

That constitutes the final straw for me so far as that site is concerned, as I have no patience for a discussion in which the official line is that trans and cis people ought not be regarded as on equal neutral footing because doing so offends cis people, just as I cut all interaction with The Bilerico Project and with Pandagon.

Date: 2009-06-30 06:39 (UTC)From: [identity profile] jenndolari.livejournal.com
If yo dont' mind me asking, what happened at the Bilerico Project? Cause I just got featured there, and honestly, it was the first time I'd heard of the place.

Date: 2009-06-30 12:23 (UTC)From: [identity profile] floorcandy.livejournal.com
'Cis' is mean and aggressive now? I think I just died a little on the inside.

Date: 2009-06-30 16:34 (UTC)From: [identity profile] pazi-ashfeather.livejournal.com
Someone needs to point out that "heterosexual" got similar reception when it first started gaining momentum.

Date: 2009-06-30 23:25 (UTC)From: [identity profile] allieflowlight.livejournal.com
This. Also, that "cis" is necessary for the same reason that "heterosexual" was necessary: to talk about the issue without playing into the narrative that others us.

Same with "neurotypical", as I recently had to explain to someone.

Date: 2009-06-30 23:24 (UTC)From: [identity profile] allieflowlight.livejournal.com
>_<

And I had to quit Shakesville after it drama-sploded... are there any good feminist blogs left?

Date: 2009-07-02 04:08 (UTC)From: [identity profile] mantic-angel.livejournal.com
(a) How the frell does one comment on Pam's House Blend? I'm not seeing any option to actually join the dialogue there o.o

(b) As with "racist" and "asshole", it is very rarely the word that is being objected to, but the categorization.

(c) What word(s) do we use in place of "cis"? I refuse to classify people by what they're not, as it's a centrist bias at best, so "non-trans" is out....

Date: 2009-07-02 04:42 (UTC)From: [identity profile] aesmael.livejournal.com
(b) Indeed seems to be the objection. "But we are a diverse group of people. It is unfair to categorise us all under a single term, unlike saying all trans people are trans, or gay people are gay. Especially I dislike being classed in the same group as those who oppress and try to control you" is about the distilled version of what I interpreted from reading that thread. Which is not new. And the person he was calling 'good' made a follow-up post about terminology and how she does not identify with labels like 'straight' and would prefer to be thought of as just a person. Sometimes I wonder if this is some kind of elaborate, satirical prank.

Date: 2009-07-02 04:53 (UTC)From: [identity profile] mantic-angel.livejournal.com
I can understand the logic to some degree, of being the "label free" / "people are people" movement. I used to rather strongly be part of it, back when I believed racism was solved and that once we nailed gay rights and children's rights the world would be perfect. (Prior ignorance, ow...)

That said, calling it offensive, to the point of considering it violent, oppressive, or a slur, just seems... absolutely daft. It's like saying that "red apple" is a slur because it labels it as both "red" and an "apple" and maybe it's just a fruit, or a macroscale molecular structure :P

Date: 2009-07-09 21:43 (UTC)From: [identity profile] ligerjet.livejournal.com
Just wanted to comment, as a cis guy, I don't mind the word at all. While I believe gender is more of a spectrum than a binary, it's just a convenient word. It's like saying, I have blue eyes, or brown hair.

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