ETA: Or this exchange: celesteh: "If I chose to present s gender neutral, can I just be a real person and not have to pick sides?" Melissa McEwan: "Zuh? Already in the post: "Some will opt to present themselves as gender-neutral."" But this is followed by affirming the womanhood or manhood of those people. So no.
Yus. >:| Esp since she's saying "present" instead of identify (and I have a feeling that the commenter didn't mean just superficial presentation, but I can't speak for them) and.. arugh... the follow up that they are REAL women and men is just a slap in the face >:| "well they may look weird and like neither men nor women but they're still men or women!"
I still think the way out of this mine field is to talk about how we are really who we self-identify as, regardless of our presentation or birth identification. I mean that's what society REALLY has a problem understanding and accepting and that's what needs to be affirmed.
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Date: 2009-02-07 19:36 (UTC)From:celesteh: "If I chose to present s gender neutral, can I just be a real person and not have to pick sides?"
Melissa McEwan: "Zuh? Already in the post: "Some will opt to present themselves as gender-neutral.""
But this is followed by affirming the womanhood or manhood of those people. So no.
Yus. >:| Esp since she's saying "present" instead of identify (and I have a feeling that the commenter didn't mean just superficial presentation, but I can't speak for them) and.. arugh... the follow up that they are REAL women and men is just a slap in the face >:| "well they may look weird and like neither men nor women but they're still men or women!"
I still think the way out of this mine field is to talk about how we are really who we self-identify as, regardless of our presentation or birth identification. I mean that's what society REALLY has a problem understanding and accepting and that's what needs to be affirmed.