aesmael: (probably quantum)
Today was perhaps a good day, although not what I anticipated. I ended up spending about three hours playing games in multiplayer which I had not planned. First, a while playing Alien Swarm again with Ami and Grace, the latter of whom I have rather missed (I do not miss Ami because I have daily contact with her still, which is good). That started out as a test effort to get a three-player game of Secret of Mana going, but this seems to be an unattainable goal. Instead, we defaulted to freely available space marine squad shooting up swarms of aggressive alien bug-things.

It was wonderful to get to hang out and laugh and have fun with friends again. I missed it a lot and hope I will be able to make more time in my life for this, that more opportunities for repeating the experience will be available.

Later, since we can't get a third player, Ami and I started our Secret of Mana game over again with the new circumstances in mind. Also fun times, and conveniently allowing me to see how the plot began instead of joining it partway through like I had last time (there was not much plot).

In betweentimes I worked some more on the database of books and stories I have read that I have been building for ill-defined and scarcely considered reasons. But at least I am potentially learning new skills in the process.

Yesterday was also not what I expected. I woke in the morning to find Avast had reported a virus in its scanning and recommended a further scan at boot. I let it go ahead with that, forgetting how long those take, and was consequently without my computer for 7 hours. This meant conversations had to be carried out via the far less comfortable medium of my phone. I ended up planning out some meals for - hopefully - the next week, and also started rereading through Berserk to pass the time. Currently am at Volume 3 and aim to stop there for a while. I'm aiming to be a bit more flexible in my reading in the future, but that is not something I can dive right into, and I have "things to do" meanwhile.

Losing such a chunk of November first also put a damper on any aspirations I may have had to participate in NaNoWriMo, although I'd not entertained any idea of actually attaining 50,000 words anyway. I still might try and manage a burst of writing, which I'd like to do regardless of the month.
aesmael: (sudden sailor)

Usagi Yojimbo Book 5: Lone Goat and Kid: 5. Lone Goat and Kid by Stan Sakai

Originally published September 1990 in Usagi Yojimbo Volume 1, Issue 24; this edition August 1992, July, 2008 printing

Publisher: Fantagraphics Books

 

M

Not recommended for persons under 15 years of age, but no legal restrictions

(V)

Violence {M}

 

Representations

Gender:

No female characters present.

Sex:

Only relationship depicted is father-son.

Race & Ethnicity:

Characters are all anthropomorphic animals in a culturally Japanese (Edo period) setting.

Disability, Physical Diversity and Health:

None noticed.

 

Awards

None found

 

Notes

This title story for the collection is quite unabashedly playing off the manga classic Lone Wolf and Cub.

Highest rating for the book and thus overall rating: M.

aesmael: (tricicat)

Usagi Yojimbo Book 5: Lone Goat and Kid: 4. The Way of the Samurai by Stan Sakai

Originally published July 1990 in Usagi Yojimbo Volume 1, Issue 23; this edition August 1992, July, 2008 printing

Publisher: Fantagraphics Books

 

PG

Parental Guidance recommended for audiences under 15 years of age

(V, H)

 

Some violence {PG}

Some supernatural references {unweighted}

 

Representations

Gender:

Significant and speaking characters all male, women present in background only.

Sex:

No presence.

Race & Ethnicity:

Characters are all anthropomorphic animals in a culturally Japanese (Edo period) setting.

Disability, Physical Diversity and Health:

A character is terminally ill, seeks honourable death by blade rather than face disability before death.

Awards

None found

Notes

Many of the stories in this volume have been varying degrees of bittersweet, concerning death and satisfaction in life, and this is one of them. Leads into and sets up the next story.

aesmael: (haircut)

Usagi Yojimbo Book 5: Lone Goat and Kid: 3. Blood Wings by Stan Sakai

Originally published April 1990 in Usagi Yojimbo Volume 1, Issue 21 and June 1990 in Usagi Yojimbo Volume 1, Issue 22; this edition August 1992, July, 2008 printing

Publisher: Fantagraphics Books

 

M

Not recommended for persons under 15 years of age, but no legal restrictions

(V, L)

Violence {M}

Minor Coarse Language {G}

 

Representations

Gender:

Significant characters male, women in the village in background or to-be-protected roles.

Sex:

Only implicit in the existence of children.

Race & Ethnicity:

Characters are all anthropomorphic animals in a culturally Japanese (Edo period) setting.

Disability, Physical Diversity and Health:

None noticed.

Awards

None found

Notes

At some point prior to this story I realised the signifier of character death is a thought bubble showing the skull and crossbones, but I hadn't remarked on the convention until seeing it here reminded me.

Continuity story, referencing events from the extended plot-line in the collection prior to this, which I could not get hold of.

Since the menace of the story is bat ninjas, there must be Batman references. "Man, what a dark night!" and a few panels later "Holy flying furball! It's bats, man!" (the latter of which is why I marked for G-rated coarse language).

aesmael: (writing things down)

Usagi Yojimbo Book 5: Lone Goat and Kid: 2. A Kite Story by Stan Sakai

Originally published February 1990 in Usagi Yojimbo Volume 1, Issue 20; this edition August 1992, July, 2008 printing

Publisher: Fantagraphics Books

 

PG

 Parental Guidance recommended for audiences under 15 years of age

(V)

Some violence {G}

 

Representations

Gender:

All characters male.

Sex:

No relationships or sex depicted.

Race & Ethnicity:

Characters are all anthropomorphic animals in a culturally Japanese (Edo period) setting.

Disability, Physical Diversity and Health:

None noticed.

Awards

None found.

Notes

I want to say this story was simpler than the last one, but plot-wise it is not a lot simpler. If it is simpler, it is simpler emotionally, with a kite-maker's ambition to make the best kite he can temporarily thwarted by a rampaging mob.

aesmael: (tricicat)

Usagi Yojimbo Book 5: Lone Goat and Kid: 1. Frost & Fire by Stan Sakai

Originally published December 1989 in Usagi Yojimbo Volume 1, Issue 19; this edition August 1992, July, 2008 printing

Publisher: Fantagraphics Books

 

M

Not recommended for persons under 15 years of age, but no legal restrictions

(D, V)

Mild drug use {PG} {tea, alcohol}

Violence {M}

 

Representations

Gender:

Only two female characters, depicted in tension with each other - loveless, honour-bound wife vs passionate peasant lover.

Sex:

Heterosexual relationships only, a marriage and the passionate violation of same.

Race & Ethnicity:

Characters are all anthropomorphic animals in a culturally Japanese (Edo period) setting.

Disability, Physical Diversity and Health:

'Crazy' as insult.

Awards

None found

Notes

Tragic story. Loveless marriage. Inadvertent sibling murder. Shiftless, grasping villain whose greed destroys all those around him and then himself.

aesmael: (haircut)

Usagi Yojimbo Book 3: The Wanderer's Road: Epilogue: Turtle Soup and Rabbit Stew by Stan Sakai

Originally published 1987 in Turtle Soup; this edition August 2010

Fantagraphics Books

 

G

Suitable for all audiences

(V)

Some violence {G)

 

Representations

Gender:

Only male characters.

Sex:

No presence

Race & Ethnicity:

Characters are all anthropomorphic animals in a culturally Japanese (Edo period) setting. Or Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.

Disability, Physical Diversity and Health:

No presence noted.

Awards

None found

Notes

Just a brief and silly crossover story in which Usagi and Leonardo of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles nearly fight each other. Continuity-free.

Highest rating for the book and thus overall rating: M.

aesmael: (haircut)

Usagi Yojimbo Book 3: The Wanderer's Road: 6. The Shogun's Gift by Stan Sakai

Originally published October 1988 Fantagraphics Books in Usagi Yojimbo Vol. 1 Issue 12; this edition August 2010

Fantagraphics Books

 

PG

Parental Guidance recommended for audiences under 15 years of age

(V)

Some violence {PG)

 

Representations

Gender:

The return of Tomoe as a prominent character, female samurai from a multi-part plot in the first book. Women in background shots around town, a married couple woodcutter team.

Sex:

A pair of woodcutters are husband and wife.

Race & Ethnicity:

Characters are all anthropomorphic animals in a culturally Japanese (Edo period) setting.

Disability, Physical Diversity and Health:

No presence noted.

Awards

None found

Notes

Villainous plot thwarted by good fortune of the heroes compounded by cunning. Feels almost as if it were two separate stories on the same events, with how the two main good characters - Usagi and Tomoe - only meet briefly and once. Setting up for future events, feels like. Or maybe just the on-going feud between Lords Hikiji and Noriyuki.

aesmael: (haircut)

Usagi Yojimbo Book 3: The Wanderer's Road: 5. The Tea Cup by Stan Sakai

Originally published September 1987?* Fantagraphics Books in Usagi Yojimbo Vol. 1 Issue 11; this edition August 2010

Fantagraphics Books 

{*I think the 1987 on these two issues is an error. it goes back to 1988 for the next issue}

PG

Parental Guidance recommended for audiences under 15 years of age

(V, D, T)

Violence {G)

Drug Use (PG) {Tea! Also sake}

Themes (G) {Poverty}

 

Representations

Gender:

There is a girl child in this episode with a small speaking role, and reference made to a female samurai from a plot arc in the first book. Women in the background in town, and an innkeeper's wife is referred to.

Sex:

A heterosexual marriage referred to.

Race & Ethnicity:

Characters are all anthropomorphic animals in a culturally Japanese (Edo period) setting.

Disability, Physical Diversity and Health:

No presence noted.

Awards

None found 

Notes

Usagi meets up with bounty hunter and friend-of-sorts Gen, who showed up in two stories in the first book. Recurring theme of Gen being on a mission, soliciting Usagi's assistance, but then also tricking him about the precise nature of that assistance. The pattern concludes with the two sharing food and sake at an inn; in the first case Gen sticks Usagi with the bill, in the second Usagi turns the tables, and this time they simultaneously leave each other with the bill. So presumably that pattern is ended if they meet up again.

We also get to learn a bit of Gen's backstory, which seems to involve some tragic poverty, but overall the story feels like a return to light-hearted action adventure.

P.S. Seems to be a tendency for catfolk to show up as villains or minions to villains.

aesmael: (haircut)

Usagi Yojimbo Book 3: The Wanderer's Road: 4. Blade of the Gods by Stan Sakai

Originally published July 1988?* Fantagraphics Books in Usagi Yojimbo Vol. 1 Issue 10; this edition August 2010

Fantagraphics Books

 

{*official website says July 1987, but that would be a year prior to the preceding issues, although if 1987 that would put it in the same month as the previous issue too.}

 

PG

Parental Guidance recommended for audiences under 15 years of age

(V, H)

Violence (PG)

Supernatural Themes (no weight)

 

Representations

Gender:

Only male characters present.

Sex:

No presence

Race & Ethnicity:

Characters are all anthropomorphic animals in a culturally Japanese (Edo period) setting.

Disability, Physical Diversity and Health:

Villain of this episode regarded as mad by others.

Awards

None found

Notes

Usagi seeks shelter from a storm with Jei, who turns out to believe he is chosen by the gods to execute the evil - and who seems to conclude sooner or later that all who cross his path are evil. The resolution is ambiguous. Mostly a fight episode but I believe there are to be long-term repercussions; it is left uncertain whether Jei is indeed supernaturally guided or protected.

aesmael: (haircut)

Usagi Yojimbo Book 3: The Wanderer's Road: 3. Return of the Blind Swordspig by Stan Sakai

Originally published July 1988 Fantagraphics Books in Usagi Yojimbo Vol. 1 Issue 9; this edition August 2010

Fantagraphics Books

 

PG

Parental Guidance recommended for audiences under 15 years of age

(V, D)

Violence {PG)

Drug Use (G) {Tea}

 

Representations

Gender:

Only male characters, and a tokagé (Spot) of unknown gender.

Sex:

No presence.

Race & Ethnicity:

Characters are all anthropomorphic animals in a culturally Japanese (Edo period) setting.

Disability, Physical Diversity and Health:

Zato-Ino is blind, but has developed a disability superpower in his sense of smell to compensate. He even has an entry on TVTropes' Blind Weapon Master page. Also thanks to his previous encounter with Usagi, his preternatural sense of smell is provided by a wooden prosthetic nose. 

Awards

None found 

Notes

This one is a bit more continuity-heavy than the previous two, referencing not only Spot's origin story in The Tower, but also featuring the reappearance of Zato-Ino and his one-sided grudge against Usagi. Fortunately I read his first appearance in Book 1, but there is a small recap in this story for those that don't know it. 

Found this story a bit sad, both through Zato-Ino's lonely-surly characterisation and insistence on hostility toward Usagi, and because this is the last story in which Usagi and Spot journey together.

Zato-Ino is almost certainly based on that other blind masseuse swordsman character, Zatoichi.

aesmael: (haircut)

Usagi Yojimbo Book 3: The Wanderer's Road: 2. A Mother's Love by Stan Sakai

Originally published May 1988 Fantagraphics Books in Usagi Yojimbo Vol. 1 Issue 8; this edition August 2010

Fantagraphics Books

 

M

Not recommended for persons under 15 years of age, but no legal restrictions

(V, T, D)

Violence {M)

Themes (M) {Corruption; Domestic Violence, Murder}

Drug Use (G) {Tea}

Representations

Gender:

Major guest character is an old woman; story focuses on relationship between her and her son.

Sex:

Heterosexual marriage-relationships / descent indicated, only.

Race & Ethnicity:

Characters are all anthropomorphic animals in a culturally Japanese (Edo period) setting.

Disability, Physical Diversity and Health:

Infirmity due to age. 

Awards

None found

Notes

This was... a lot darker than the previous story. Our itinerant protagonist (along with Spot) gets caught up in an intrigue of corruption that ends with kinslaying and a character begging to be executed.

aesmael: (haircut)
Usagi Yojimbo Book 3: The Wanderer's Road: 1. The Tower by Stan Sakai

Originally published March 1988 Fantagraphics Books in Usagi Yojimbo Vol. 1 Issue 7; this edition August 2010

Fantagraphics Books

G

Suitable for all audiences

(V, D)

Some violence (G)

Drug Use (G) {an attempt to drink some tea}

Representations

Gender:

Only male characters with speaking roles. Think I saw some women in the crowd.

Sex:

No presence

Race & Ethnicity:

Characters are all anthropomorphic animals in a culturally Japanese (Edo period) setting.

Disability, Physical Diversity and Health:

No presence noted.

Awards

None found

Notes

In this episode, our ronin rabbit hero, Miyamoto Usagi rescues a hungry tokagé that is being bullied by an unnamed restaurant owner for stealing food. According to the author's notes, tokagé is a Japanese word for lizard; they seem to be little dog-sized sauropods that are the main non-person animals I've seen in this setting so far.

Even though this is mainly marked and regarded as a children's series, I have been finding them fun and quick enough to want to keep reading what volumes I can source from libraries. I read the first collection a few months ago, and was unable to get hold of Book 2, so this Book 3 is the second one I have been able to read.

In this particular story it seems the restaurant owner's lack of charity and growing anger at being thwarted that bring his misfortune upon himself. At the end Usagi leaves in the company of the tokagé he has named Spot, and I rather liked the idea of him travelling with a trusty animal companion henceforth.

Originally published at a denizen's entertainment. You can comment here or there.

Watching an episode of The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes this morning, was surprised to see the character meeting them at some installation introduce herself as Carol - correctly guessed this is meant to be Carol Danvers, AKA Ms. Marvel. If you are [personal profile] aurora_starlight or myself, you'll know we have been grumbling about the male-heavy nature of this Avengers line-up, and specifically the lack of Ms. Marvel (Ami has also written recently about racial diversity and The Avengers).

So, knowing she is not on the team and thus not a 'primary hero' in this context, her presence in the episode led me to worry how she would be treated. Would she be incompetent? Would she be obstructive? As it turned out, not quite either - rather, she'd be gun-violent and fairly useless, because this was a Ms. Marvel origin episode in which she had only a minor part to play. Knocked out early in the episode, she wakes up at the end to discover she now has powers.

Disappointing, as I've been fond of the character since learning of her existence (and had her in mind when developing a character for a setting of my own), but have hardly at all gotten to see her in an active role, or any role at all. However I did learn on looking through Ms. Marvel's Wikipedia article that she is reportedly joining the Avengers in Season 2.

That might be good. Currently women are represented on the team by Wasp, who seems primarily there for fun and focused on her boyfriend (I would enjoy her much more if she were one of several women on the team, because she is a lot of fun), and at some point Black Widow - a vaguely Russian character currently a double agent for a villainous organisation. At least from looking at her article I see she has a long heroic history and association with the team. Had been skeptical how the show would have this villain turn to the side of good.

Hoping will get to see this character I like being heroic and awesome before too long. Am perpetually suspicious of the writers and other persons on such matters.

aesmael: (tricicat)
One of my favourites of the webcomics I follow, Arthur, King of Time and Space came back from hiatus a while ago and today I got the urge to say so publicly, probably hoping others might go take a look and decide they like it too.

Not every day is a triumph in my opinion, but that is true of any comic I follow, and it gives me more moments of glee than most others and jokes by its premise that I don't think could work in any other story I've heard of. Apart from Peanuts this is maybe the only primarily gag-a-day comic I've much enjoyed so far. (hint: it helps if you enjoy slow puns, but probably is not required)

The currently current comic I think gives a fair impression of what goes on there, but is spoilery. I think I have run out of stuff to say about this for now.
aesmael: (haircut)
Yesterday was the first full day for aimed-at-children network ABC3. I ended up watching a fair bit of it, since there were superhero cartoons I was curious about. Also Skyland, which as far as I can tell is Star Wars but intend to keep watching anyway in case maybe it actually isn't.

The other shows were all based on Marvel Comics franchises (and bear in mind almost my only exposure to comicbooks is from cartoons like these, live action films, television series and [livejournal.com profile] lost_angelwings). First, okay, first was The Spectacular Spider-Man on a different channel which is fun, but I can never seem to tell where in the series we are.

Later was Wolverine and the X-Men, which I had already watched most of so this time around is more to fill in the gaps than anything else. I prefer to call it 'The Wolverine Show' and although it is not bad, have a lot more fun talking about with [livejournal.com profile] lost_angelwings than watching alone. Like the time Shadowcat phases through ice into the ocean during a battle and isn't seen again for several episodes.

After that was The Super Hero Squad Show. I'd heard from [livejournal.com profile] lost_angelwings that she dislikes the show. After watching an episode I also dislike it. The animation was unpleasant to watch and the show itself wasn't fun to me. Reminded me a bit of Muppet Babies although maybe that show had redeeming qualities (I don't remember if it was good or bad). Maybe part of the problem is I am not fond of or attached to most of the characters, although that hasn't been a problem for me with Justice League episodes and actually I think I recognised most of the characters - Iron Man, Hulk, Thor, Storm, Ms Marvel, Wolverine, Silver Surfer... probably missed a few. Wikipedia says I missed many.

In the first episode they ended up fighting Mole Man (not the one from The Simpsons and a Japanese Kaiju movie. That sounds much more fun than it ended up being. Maybe the problem is the target audience is too young for me? I don't quite think so since it spent a lot of time being almost but not quite enjoyable, but I was a bad judge of what children would enjoy even when I was a child so maybe. There wasn't anything I saw on Wikipedia suggesting what age group it was targeted at though.

Iron Man is Batman, apparently. His mouth moves when he talks (as does Doctor Doom's) and that bugs me.

Hulk is Grimlock and that makes me sad.

That Silver Surfer was given a Californian Surfer accent confuses and angers me.

From what I heard I think I would enjoy seeing Ms Marvel in a different, fun context.

Last was the first four episodes of Iron Man: Armoured Adventures which I was surprised to find is my favourite of these so far. I was going to say while talking about The Super Hero Squad Show that just about anything describable with "... but as kids!" is almost bound to be bad (although they aren't actually younger in that show, the animation just makes that connection for me). Fortunately I did not, since this show stars a teenaged Tony Stark, Pepper Potts and James Rhodes.

In this version Tony's father Howard Stark was the founder of Stark Industries and killed by Obadiah Stane, who took over the company and now Tony has to attend high school.

In only vaguely related news, the final episode of Ergo Proxy played last week. It had I think a nice blend of resolution and openness at the end, and I was quite fond of a lot of the devices used during the latter part of the series. Tomorrow they begin broadcast of Death Note in the same timeslot, which is handy since as [livejournal.com profile] infinitely_late may recall, I did not have access to ABC2 the last time it aired.
aesmael: (just people)
Two sorts of things which have been bugging that I think are probably meant to be pro-women.

1) Sitcoms, where a male character expresses something sexist in the presence of women, either who gets mad at him or who the presentation of the show promises will 'get even' with him off-screen. A lot of the time it looks like not 'sexism is bad, don't be sexist' but instead 'everyone knows this but don't say it in front of women because they don't like it' with a side of 'sexism is okay so long as there is comeuppance'.

This dynamic tends to feed the idea that men are socially disadvantaged relative to men because women hold power over them primarily in the form of controlling access to sex (as if sexual assault and rape were not prevalent, and as if these shows do not commonly depict men harassing and pressuring women into unwanted sex and humorous in an 'it's funny because it's true' sense), but also depicting women as generally bossy, controlling and otherwise humorously abusive toward men - showing a social fiction where men are obliged not to express what they consider right and natural and true in the presence of women because women (in this imaginary world) dominate society via various channels of interpersonal coercion.

Despite sending the superficial message of 'don't express sexism', I don't think this is a very feminist depiction.

2) Webcomics, mostly fantasy webcomics in my experience, which seem to be attempting to establish feminist credibility by having characters encounter a bunch of men acting in a strongly misogynistic, derisive way and then having them shown up / beat up / whatever by the heroic leads, often women.

Really, if someone wants to make a feminist / pro-feminist fantasy webcomic I would rather see an example of a world in which sexism is not a problem than one in which our heroes keep beating up the occasional gang of louts who think they're hopeless. As much as it can be satisfying to see expressed sexism flung back in someone's face, I really want to see more examples of worlds where sexism isn't even a problem people have to deal with. Especially since a lot of the time these happenings feel to me, not insincere, but as if these are staged events to establish for us that either our leads are truly virtuous because they won't stand for sexism or, if women, to clarify that they are indeed Strong Female Characters.

It bugs me, and I am having difficulty expressing why. Maybe because when this happens with female characters the only reason they succeed at standing up to the Token Sexist Jerks is because they have some kind of elite ability, and the way the confrontation is framed any random woman would have been cowed or worse - 'confronting sexism is for heroic or elite women only' message. Maybe because I come away with the feeling authors who do this think all sexism is of the overt sort and the way to confront it is by having a bigger stick. Maybe because I get frustrated that so often it seems people can't imagine the idea of a society which lacks sexism, racism, ablism, queerphobia, etc. and thus the only way to have a remotely humanist sort of work apparently is with these staged, stark black hat - white hat confrontations.

Yes, this one gets crossposted to my journal and [livejournal.com profile] feminist_rage.
aesmael: (friendly)
[livejournal.com profile] soltice has been selected to be a guest on the OSNews podcast. She can be heard on episode 18 and it was very strange hearing her familiar voice in a radio sort of context. She is also on the just released episode 19 and I think will be appearing in future too. Am really still stunned by all this, a bit amazed and proud and still blinking.

Meanwhile [livejournal.com profile] lost_angelwings' post comparing the crew of Primetime Sports with the Justice League got her mentioned on the front page of their website. Primetime Sports, that is, not the Justice League who are too snooty to do more than monitor her covertly.
aesmael: (probably quantum)
Finally gave up on, abandoned reading and automated checking of Abstract Gender, mainly from realising I hadn't enjoyed it to begin with and did not particularly care if it ever began updating in strip format again. That I had still been following it only because I had started and felt vaguely obligated to outlast the the thing.

Has been replaced with Alex which seems a bit acclaimed and popular in newspapers and to which I've no objection yet to starting reading since it is easy. I just wish I knew how often it is supposed to update.

That done, once Paradise Lost is read we're sort of up to 'F' in arbitrary webcomics reading, except for the post-alphabetised ones.

Wow, this was really a pointless post. Guess I just like talking.
aesmael: (writing things down)
Recently I read another few months of Everything Jake, September to the end of 2001. Spoilers: Everything Jake - 2001 )

I also tried Freedoom for about a day. As it turns out, sounds and graphics and especially creatures are a large part of what makes Doom work. The replacement sounds are much softer and lack the impact of the originals. The replacement sprites are lacking character too. In part this is probably due to the sounds being relatively softened (although they seem good for the arch vile replacement) but also, I just do not find the designs interesting. Am not finding myself drawn to learn more about these creatures and that fascination is a very large part of what draws me to Doom in the first place.

Apparently keeping the same gameplay but replacing the sounds and creature designs can pretty well kill my interest in a game. I suppose I will give it a look again at some later point if I remember to. Not written off as an idea, but not personally engaged by the present execution either.

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